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== Spam account == Just thought I'd bring [[User:Samayanews|this user page]] to your attention because it's pretty spammy. Cheers, [[User:Irningston|Irningston]] ([[User talk:Irningston|talk]]) 13:21, 26 March 2016 (CET):FYI, you blocked [[Special:Contributions/Harsh|this user]], but there are still three pages that need to be deleted. Cheers, [[User:Irningston|Irningston]] ([[User talk:Irningston|talk]]) 20:04, 19 April 2016 (CEST)
== Consensus, transparency, and accountability ==
I'm taking [http://hitchwiki.org/en/index.php?title=User_talk:Drumroots&diff=83459&oldid=83449 this conversation] here because it doesn't really concern Drumroots at this point.
You've created a number of rules (i.e. no editing per section, must edit the whole page;
: No, I have not created such a rule, I've asked Drumroots to edit whole pages if he's going to make a lot of changes!
:: And he said he has some trouble using the wiki software. We don't ban people due to lack of technical expertise. And you can't ban everyone who's working style you don't like. --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]]<sup>([[User_talk:MrTweek|talk]])</sup> 02:55, 14 June 2016 (CEST)
no changing autobahn to motorway or rasthof/raststätte to service station;
: Again, not a rule. '''Every''' hitchhiker knows what an Autobahn is, there is absolutely no need to change that into motorway, and once a hitchhiker has spend just a few hours in Germany, he or she will know what a Raststätte is. The UK has motorway services, Germany Raststättes, Italy Area Servizio's, there is no flipping need to Anglicise everything!
:: I agree with that. --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]]<sup>([[User_talk:MrTweek|talk]])</sup> 02:55, 14 June 2016 (CEST)
no writing the name “McD”;
:Why should we provide free advertising for a despicable US corporation that cares about only one thing, its bottom line!
:: I don't like McDonalds either, but I don't think we need to censor their name out. It's often a landmark that's easy to spot from far and thus can be very useful for orientation. --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]]<sup>([[User_talk:MrTweek|talk]])</sup> 02:55, 14 June 2016 (CEST)
and no changing a page more than three or four times in a row),
:Again not a rule and if everyone would actually use the preview button, at least half of the edit-after-edit-after-edit cases would disappear.
and I don't see where you get the right to do so. As far as I can tell, you have unilaterally decided these rules, they have no consensus behind them, and they can only be found on the talk pages of users who happen to violate them.
:Again there are no rules, only requests, and if people ignore them, then an admin can take steps. You are also an admin, if you want to unblock Drumroots, feel free to do so.
:: We went pretty well for 9 years with only using our admin rights when absolutely necessary (mainly spam) and I am quite happy about this. You ignored a lot of requests by other admins many times in Hitchwiki's history and nobody banned you. So no, an Admin is not supposed to "take steps" if people don't adhere to their preferred standards. Definitely not! --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]]<sup>([[User_talk:MrTweek|talk]])</sup> 02:55, 14 June 2016 (CEST)
This is not okay. It is authoritarian and lacks any transparency or accountability.
:You prefer anarchy? We had that on FanDeZhi a few years back, and that resulted in the system becoming unusable for genuine users, like the guy who translated PCRE to COBOL, the guy who's trying to update the InfoZIP for z/OS programs.
:: That's a completely useless example. Sad that you had a problem with someone, but we don't right now. Again, our system has worked relatively well for 9 years and I'm not going to give that up because you don't like the way someone edits pages. If you think we need certain rules about this, you are very welcome to start a discussion in the community portal or mailing list. But as long as there is no consensus on this, stop banning people on these grounds! --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]]<sup>([[User_talk:MrTweek|talk]])</sup> 02:55, 14 June 2016 (CEST)
Drumroots asked you a legitimate question about the message you left on his talk page. You waited over a week to respond and did so in a post full of imperative sentences and beginning with “I'm getting pretty fed up with your editing.” This is not friendly; indeed, it is openly hostile.
:I sent him an email, it bounced.
:: That's no excuse for acting like a dick. We have a culture of being friendly and polite here. I'd would prefer if you could take part in this instead of getting super rude if someone doesn't adhere to the rules that you made up on the fly. --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]]<sup>([[User_talk:MrTweek|talk]])</sup> 02:55, 14 June 2016 (CEST)
Regarding RecentChanges, I agree that it's important to keep an eye on them to deal with spam. However, eliminating every red exclamation point is by no means necessary; it merely communicates to other admins that someone has already checked it. This is especially relevant when dealing with users who have a history of productive edits, where spam and vandalism are not a concern. If you feel the need to patrol recent changes for quality control reasons, please accept that that is your decision, and there is no reason why other editors should have to change their behavior to make things easier for you.
:Whoever said that other admins have to do this too?
Why should other users change the way they do things to accommodate you when you can change the way you do things to accommodate others?
And I see welcoming new users as vital to maintaining a cooperative environment here. Without it, the entirety of most users' interactions with other users would consist of being told what to do. I don't like being told what to do, I don't like telling others what to do, and I don't like seeing other people tell other people what to do; I prefer working together, cooperatively, towards a common end (in this case, building a great resource for hitchhikers around the world), and I want to encourage that. -- [[User:Irningston|Irningston]] ([[User talk:Irningston|talk]]) 20:57, 13 June 2016 (CEST)
:Oh yes, cooperatively, like changing the interface into the one we have now, without any support for the normal Mediawiki skin. Was there any discussion about this? The replacement of Google Maps with Open Streetmap? The constant pop-up about Trustroots? Don't we have enough flipping hospitality exchange sites?
:: So what's your point? Are we too cooperative for you or not enough? --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]]<sup>([[User_talk:MrTweek|talk]])</sup> 02:55, 14 June 2016 (CEST)
:Hitchwiki, as noble as its goals are, is pretty much irrelevant today. Whenever I meet other hitchhikers, and ask about it, most seem to know, but far more tell me that they use groups on the site of the Cult of $uckerberg...
:: Not sure what this has to do with the rest of the discussion. It's so unimportant that we don't have to be nice to people any more? --[[User:MrTweek|MrTweek]]<sup>([[User_talk:MrTweek|talk]])</sup> 02:55, 14 June 2016 (CEST)
:[[User:Prino|Prino]]<small><sup>[http://hitchwiki.org/prino/ blog], [[User talk:Prino|talk]]</sup></small> 21:44, 13 June 2016 (CEST)
=== Reply to Prino's message ===
Firstly, thank you Mr Tweek for unblocking me and your positive appraisal of my editing. And thank you Irningston for fighting my corner whilst I was unable to as my account was blocked… I'm not going to be editing for a while, the free time I had to do this is almost up and I'm going back on the road. But what I am going to do, now I finally get to exercise my right to reply, is to answer Prino's message… maybe you admins may think it is out of order and it goes against the proper use of talk pages, but that message of his really shook me up, and I have a right to defend myself. And if my reply in any way prevents other newbie editors, or anyone, being attacked by Prino, it would be worth it.
So Prino, from your photo, you actually do look like a frustrated grumpy old fart… so I shouldn't have been surprised with that nasty, aggressive, and condescending message you sent after I spent countless hours trying my best to improve Hitchwiki pages. And then getting my account blocked… and for what? For not using the Preview option enough? Is this a f*cking joke?
You need to get out more, bro, and get some perspective on life… you know, get angry about things like inequality, discrimination, Donald Trump… but not using the Preview button enough….? It's a f*cking joke, isn't it?!
And writing out McDonalds in full is giving this "despicable" corporation free publicity…. are you for f*cking real? Get out into the real world and get a reality check!!!
And just when I thought it couldn't get any worse… as I was writing my reply to you, you blocked my account and so denied me my legitimate right of free speech and a right to reply. Are you a man or a mouse? You attack me publicly, and I see that you continue to attack me, and you refuse to let me answer your snide comments by not only blocking my account, but changing that block from three days to indefinitely. Indefinitely?! - you really are a coward, aren't you?
Shall I tell you how it is when some stranger starts bossing and ordering you around? I'll give you a taste of your own medicine shall I?
:'''DO NOT''' ever make contact with me again. I don't need you dumping your f*cking shit on me!
See, it's not very nice is it?
And then right at the end of all your bullshit orders, you have the gall to issue a threat… like a bully abusing his power. Do you want to know what it feels like to be threatened, bullied, intimidated….? Well, I'm going to give you a taste of your own medicine again with an example, which will serve also to treat your rude message with the contempt it deserves. So here goes...
If you ever write to me or anyone in that arrogant, dictatorial, and rude way again, I'm going to come and shove that f*cking Guinness Record so far up your f*cking arse that you literally are going to have shit coming out of your mouth!
Com-f*cking-prendre?
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I saw that you recently welcomed some new users. That's awesome! When using the [[Template:Welcome|welcome template]], however, if you don't insert "subst:" (like so: <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}} ), your signature won't appear, and instead it rends the text " -- ~~~ ~~~~~"</nowiki>. Cheers, -- [[User:Irningston|Irningston]] ([[User talk:Irningston|talk]]) 17:33, 1 October 2015 (CEST)
== Promotion to admin ==
Hey thanks, I guess that will be especially useful as I might volunteer more time to the wiki in the upcoming months. And I think I should give you [[Image:Globestoppeuse-prino.jpg|left|thumb|200px]] this photo too. --[[User:Globestoppeuse|Globestoppeuse]] ([[User talk:Globestoppeuse|talk]]) 19:43, 27 March 2016 (CEST)
