User talk:Irningston

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I am happy to see your recent additions on Costa Rica, but please don't write in the first person on Hitchwiki ("no one I spoke to had ever heard of 'Cuatros bomberos'"). Hitchwiki aims to offer generalized advice independent of any one editor. If you absolutely must specify that something was personal experience, write in the third person and link to your username. (Also, please be careful to use correct spelling and grammar.) Thanks! CRCulver (talk) 00:16, 8 May 2013 (CEST)

Where are you getting this from, about the prohibition against first person? I see first person used throughout hitchwiki, and I find it very useful. Are there community agreed-upon policies and guidelines you are referring to? -- Irningston (talk) 23:43, 8 May 2013 (CEST)
That articles should be written in 3rd person has been the consensus for years now. See e.g. here. Hitchwiki is full of tips in the first-person because many hitchhikers sign up for an account and start posting their advice without learning the preferred style first. I and other editors try to give new editors a heads-up when we can, but there's not always someone around to clean up the first-person edits they've already made. First person is decidely not useful on a wiki site: any article can have multiple editors, so the reader has no idea who "I" refers to. That's why it's better to write in the third person and link to your username. CRCulver (talk) 02:28, 9 May 2013 (CEST)
I don't see how one edit by one person a few years ago represents consensus. Just because no one changed it doesn't mean there's consensus there. Has there been discussion around this issue? That page, for example, doesn't even have a Talk: page. So there was obviously no discussion there.
While you don't see the usefulness of first person on a wiki site, there's room for debate. Certainly all of the editors who create new accounts and edit in the first person seem to disagree with you. -- Irningston (talk) 22:00, 9 May 2013 (CEST)
Consensus is determined by those who actually stick around and discuss the matter, not people who create accounts, make a few hasty changes without researching Hitchwiki style, and then disappear. I've asked User:guaka, the founder of Hitchwiki, to post here. He'll attest too that a preference for third-person writing goes back years. CRCulver (talk) 02:16, 10 May 2013 (CEST)
Who wouldn't stick around after receiving such a friendly welcome? But in order to "stick around and discuss the matter", there needs to be an atmosphere of openness to discussion and a place where that discussion can take place. How is one supposed to research Hitchwiki style? Irningston (talk) 17:40, 10 May 2013 (CEST)
Hi Irningston. Think about someone else coming in who wants to improve an article? First person writing just doesn't work so well on a wiki. It's common wiki sense to avoid it and there's definitely a consensus on this among active long-term editors. It's okay to add stories in a first person writing, as a specifically marked section of the page, e.g. as in Panama City. Otherwise it's much better to write in 3rd person and link to your user page (tip: write something on it :) guaka (talk) 02:23, 10 May 2013 (CEST)
But where's this consensus? I don't see any discussion or anything. Is it all happening on different user_talk pages? Or off-wiki? I expect more openness and transparency than just being told, "All the people who've been here a long time agree. Look, even the founder of the wiki will tell you so." Above, CRCulver complains of people who don't research Hitchwiki style, but there's literally no where to do that besides the articles themselves. Irningston (talk) 17:40, 10 May 2013 (CEST)
The community of active editors is so small that consensus about things like this tend to play out through casual discussion among us instead of bureaucratic processes. Plus, many of the active editors have long experience in other wiki projects, so the prohibition of first-person writing is just so bloody obvious that the need to spell it out clearly for new editors hasn't been felt as much as it perhaps should. If you think that guidelines to help those new to the site are missing, perhaps you'd like to volunteer? CRCulver (talk) 17:03, 11 May 2013 (CEST)
Are you sincerely inviting me to write editing guidelines for hitchwiki? Given that I have little experience with hitchwiki, am obviously unfamiliar with the norms here, and was therefore looking for these guidelines myself, I have a hard time taking you seriously, especially considering that what is "so bloody obvious" for the long-time consensus-makers is not so obvious to me. However, if there were somewhere for these discussions to take place, I would be more than happy to participate. Irningston (talk) 18:32, 11 May 2013 (CEST)
Irningston, check stuff in and comment and edit :) And please also read e.g. this article on wikivoyage. guaka (talk) 01:21, 12 May 2013 (CEST)